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Poster: Supaslush Date: Mar 12, 2007 6:54pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: MC Jerry G

I was just reading the news and Grandmaster Flash and the Furious 5 are getting inducted into the Rock 'n' Roll hall of Fame as the first hip-hop act in that institution. Grandmaster Flash was on the first* tape my parents bought me; K-Tel's "Breakdancin" if you have to know.

So - objections to RnRHOF as a stodgy, corporate institution aside - I got to thinking about The Boys and hip=hop. Ever put multiple Dead shows on at a time just for the WTF factor? Anything great come of it?

*first non-Disney

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Poster: mcglone Date: Mar 12, 2007 8:11pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: MC Jerry G

are you familiar with john oswald's 'greyfolded' project? it might be up your alley... soooo many dark*'s to play with.

This post was modified by mcglone on 2007-03-13 03:11:27

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Poster: Supaslush Date: Mar 12, 2007 8:09pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: MC Jerry G

Oh yeah, I heard Grayfolded back in the day. That was some sick dark-star action right there.

I also don't doubt that Garcia and the boys have at the very least some skepticism, if not outright disdain for sampling. I guess what I'm trying to get at is more relative to Negativeland or the Flaming Lips (ever hear Zaireeka?).

I consider this a hip-hop innovation even though people like Cage did the same years before.

Right now I'm listening to acoustic Lazy River Road (94) on top of Caution (68). It's not like it comes together entirely in a synchronous event, but every few seconds it strikes gold.

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Poster: mcglone Date: Mar 12, 2007 8:24pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: MC Jerry G

i'll track down this Zaireeka that you speak of... regretfully, my knowledge of the flamming lips begins and ends with 'vaselene', and, ummmm, the band's appearence at the peach pit, all be it, after dark!

regarding the dead taking umbrage with sampling, i doubt it. they covered (sampled in a sense) way more tune's than your average garage/bar band. they were also at the forefront when it came to tinkering with midi. hunter was a master sampler in his own right.

it's all good! (except the midi stuff imho)

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Poster: patkelley Date: Mar 12, 2007 9:13pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: MC Jerry G

Bob Weir had a DJ in his band for a while- DJ Logic

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Poster: Supaslush Date: Mar 12, 2007 9:24pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: MC Jerry G

Fella, you just made my night. I have to check this out.

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Poster: Max Chorak Date: Mar 12, 2007 11:05pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: MC Jerry G

Dunno if you dinosaurs know of the band, but all you people who have Green Party meetings with Ralph Nader might know of the band... either that or i'm highly underestimating all you heads.. but surprisingly no one has mentioned it yet..

The late ska/rock/reggae band Sublime.. well.. Bradley Nowell (lead singer, guitarist too i believe) covered Scarlet Begonias.

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Poster: wineland Date: Mar 12, 2007 11:48pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: MC Jerry G

Sublime...takes me back to my college days. Thanks for the memory, I'm listening to that on my way to work tomorrow!

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Poster: Supaslush Date: Mar 12, 2007 7:21pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: MC Jerry G

I also wanted to ask: have any GD songs been sampled by hip-hop artists yet? I don't really keep up with hip-hop too much. I know that Hornsby's been sampled a bunch...

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Poster: willowgordon Date: Mar 12, 2007 9:22pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: MC Jerry G

Jay-Z is Dead.

Check it out yo:

http://www.spinjunkies.com/index2.htm

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Poster: elkdog Date: Mar 12, 2007 8:17pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: MC Jerry G

Not exactly a sample, but there's a mashup album out there of Outkast and the Dead. "I'm Sorry Ms. Jackson" and "West L.A. Fadeaway" go together pretty well. Can't find the url at the moment...

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Poster: tigerbolt Date: Mar 12, 2007 7:32pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: MC Jerry G

sadly yes,some rap guy named proof i think did a rap album called in search of jerry garcia or something like that.scarlet begonias was covered by sublime i think and changed the lyrics to we took pcp and lsd to that effect.some other rap group have sampled them,when you have no talent to play your own music i guess that's what you do.i'll have to find the article about jerry's opinion on rap music,from what i recall he wasn't fond of the music ripoffs they do.

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Poster: HiRoller Date: Mar 13, 2007 12:27am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: MC Jerry G

"sadly yes,some rap guy named proof i think did a rap album called in search of jerry garcia or something like that."

That was actually out of respect to Garcia, not just trying to cash in on his name. He said that he loved the way that Jerry played to make fans happy rather than just to make money.

Edit: Also, I'd like to see you make a song just by sampling another group since it's such an easy thing to do. It really all depends on how you do your sampling, it can either be slack or done with skill. Find DJ Shadow's Endtroducing and tell me that he doesn't have skill (the entire album is made from samples). Paul's Boutique by the Beastie Boys is another good example of an album based around samples that shows the true skill in sampling.

This post was modified by HiRoller on 2007-03-13 07:27:08

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Poster: cush11 Date: Mar 13, 2007 12:47am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: MC Jerry G

I used to hear a show on KRCL in SLC UT in the late 80's, was called the "Urban Music" show... Alot of Oakland stylee funk rap and stuff like that. It was good, I liked it! There is a lot of good music out there in any genre... A lot of crap too, all depends on how it feels on the old earballs after all. I have a 21 year old in the house here, she grew up with "street" music... I think most of it angry, unproductive and awful... However, within the genre... 2Pac, I knid of like, brought home the Yin Yang Twins latest (don't remember the title) and I liked it... Raps were positive vibrations, even had real guitars and drumms... But i digress, was going to talk about Viola Lee Blues... Ooopsie... My bad!

;)


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Poster: smi2les Date: Mar 13, 2007 1:40am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: MC Jerry G

Think Vanilla Ice did a cover of West L.A. Fadeaway.

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Poster: tree-ap Date: Mar 13, 2007 5:48am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: MC Jerry G

K-Tel's compilations are legendary!!! Wish I still had my early 80's LP with Flock of Seagull's "I Ran"...